Homeschool Math and a Biblical Worldview with Kate Hannon

Summary:

Ever wondered if math can deepen your faith?  A second-generation homeschooler, math curriculum author, and homeschool mom herself, Kate Hannon joins host Erin to reveal the surprising connection between math, worldviews, and God’s faithfulness. Kate shares her journey from reluctant math student to bestselling curriculum writer—plus why upper-level math might be your best tool for discipleship. Discover how math isn’t just about numbers—it’s a way to see God’s consistency in a chaotic world. You won’t think about equations the same way again!

Links & Resources:
Kate Hannon’s blog, stories and store:
Christian Perspective.net
Curriculum and courses at
MasterBooks.com
Facebook,
@KatherineLookHannon
YouTube, @mathisnotneutral
Amazon Author Storefront: @katherine-hannon 

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Transcript:

Erin:
Hello, and welcome back to the Show Me Homeschool podcast. Today, I'm excited to speak with Katherine Hannon. She's a homeschool graduate and a homeschool mom. She's been researching and writing on math for twenty years. She's the author of MasterBooks best selling Principles Math Curriculum, as well as other resources. Katherine also has a level one certification from the Association of Biblical Counselors. Her heart is to point people to seek the Lord and his strength, Psalm 104:4, in everything. Katherine resides with her husband and child near Atlanta, Georgia.

Erin:
Her math materials are available at masterbooks.com, and you can check out her online ministry I'm Erin. And I'm Joe. We're the hosts of the Show Me Homeschool podcast, where we guide parents through the wilderness of home education. Each weekly episode will focus on supporting and encouraging homeschool moms and dads through conversational interviews with like minded Christian leaders in the homeschool community.

Joe:
In our experience, we've seen the lack of resources and support available for homeschool dads. So we want to address that by covering relevant topics concerning husbands and fathers as they lead their families through this lifestyle of home education.

Erin:
We understand the need for creating connections and building authentic relationships to sustain a healthy homeschool environment for yourself and your children.

Joe:
Our goal is not to show you how to replicate our homeschool, but to show you how you can create a home learning lifestyle that is sustainable for your family.

Erin:
Show Me Homeschool is here to come alongside you. So, Catherine, welcome. Do you prefer Katherine or Kate?

Kate Hannon:
I go by Kate. Kate. 

Erin:
Okay. So, Kate, thanks for coming on today. I was excited to have you booked because math, especially upper level math, as a mom who's homeschooling my second graduate now, he's graduating in May, Math is always tricky. So I understand you're a second generation homeschooler. Do you wanna talk about your experience with homeschooling and what led you to the creation of math curriculum?

Kate Hannon:
So I was blessed to be homeschooled, from first grade on, and my mom was, was very nervous. It was back in the days when nobody homeschooled. But God gave her Isaiah 5four 13, which says, All your children shall be taught by the Lord and great shall be your children's peace. So she clung to that and I got to watch God teach me. Because there were things, English was her weakness, which is kind of funny because I became an author, but she would often not know the answer, you know, in the English class. And she would bow her head and pray and ask God, you know, please show us what we need to know. And I learned so much more by watching her do that than I ever would have had she known her English forwards and backwards. Right? And I got to watch God provide, help us learn what we needed to learn, but really show us that depending on him is what's most important of all.

Kate Hannon:
And then now as a homeschool mom, I'm, like, realizing I have to learn those lessons all over again. Because it's just so easy to fall into just trying to do it in our own strength instead of depending on the Lord. So, yeah, I'm blessed to tell him some words that we adopted him through foster care. And so the last it's just been a couple years now that I've been able to homeschool him. And I've learned that it's such a sanctification process. You know, it's it's different seeing it from the parent's perspective than the child's perspective because, you know, the Lord really uses those challenges to refine us and to show us all the ways we need refined. And so that's been a challenging but joyful process.

Erin:
Yeah. So when you were growing up in homeschooling, like you said, there were were not a lot of people doing that. How did your mom come by curriculum and things to teach you?

Kate Hannon:
Well, she started my dad gave her a three month trial period, and then we were going to Christian school when this thing didn't work out. So she just used the curriculum the Christian school used because that was what was gonna happen. And God blessed those three months, like, so much that my dad was like, okay, you can you can keep doing this. And then over the years, I watched her branch out a little bit more. And by high school, we were making up our own studies based on her interest. So it was kinda just different over the years as as more curriculum became available and she became more comfortable realizing that it wasn't necessarily about the curriculum, but about really discipling us in the Lord. And I watched her kinda she was very nervous in those early years that we get everything done and get it done right. And you can tell as a kid, your children can tell what you're thinking.

Kate Hannon:
And and we knew that that was very important to her. And as the Lord worked in her life and she became more concerned about her or less less worried about the world's goals, I guess, would be the better way to say it, and more just than God's goal for us. She became more relaxed about those things and more focused on her hearts. And, yeah. And so I watched the Lord kind of work her through that. And then now I'm I'm discovering I fall into the same traps. It's like, I want you to learn to read. I want to learn to read by this date, and it doesn't work that way.

Kate Hannon:
Right? And you, okay, god. What is your goal for my child here? And it said he know you and that he walk with you, and that's so much more important than whether we read by x date and whether we get this done today. And, yes, we need to be diligent, but there's a difference between making that our goal and making discipleship and walking with the Lord our goal.

Erin:
Yeah. I love that because, you know, we're on our thirteenth year just finishing up homeschooling. And as I've talked with other moms that have had, graduates and now their their children are graduating their children and we're in the second generation here, you know, that is the thing that we we see is that you start thinking that the curriculum is the method of teaching and really it's just the tool for sanctification within the mom and the child. And it's just a beautiful thing to watch. Like, yes, we need to be diligent to get work done, and we need to learn how to read and how to do math and science and all of those things. But that is, a tool that God is using to bring us closer to him. So as obviously you you had a good experience homeschooling, you're willing to do it with your own child and you're developing curriculum. Do you wanna talk a little bit about how, how math has played into your career now as an author with math curriculum?

Kate Hannon:
Sure. Well, math was the last thing in the world I thought I was gonna do when I was in high school. Mhmm. I was much more interested in history and writing. But as a senior, my mom, she had gotten this book called mathematics. It's got silent at a homeschool curriculum fair. And it had just sat on our shelf because it was a a thick book. And she's like, you know what? I'm gonna assign it to you to read and report back to me what it says because I haven't gotten to it.

Kate Hannon:
And so I started it super skeptically thinking, what's it gonna talk about? How God divided the Red Sea? And, you know, we can talk about how we'll teach. I mean, math is just math. It's one plus one equals two. You know, what where's God in that? And I've been blessed to see God in science and history and other subjects, but math was just kinda like you learn the facts and you do it. Right? And there wasn't really anything spiritual or so I thought. Well, I was blown away that really, no, there is a worldview that's coming across in our mouth. And when we're not seeing it as part of God's creation and from a biblical worldview, we're really ending up seeing it naturalistically and humanistically. To realize that that had been coming across in my math curriculum all those years and I'd missed it and I'd missed seeing God's glory.

Kate Hannon:
I didn't want other students to miss that. And so that led me on a journey of researching and writing about math in a biblical worldview that's lasted the last twenty years or so. Yeah. That's how that's how it began.

Erin:
Wow. That's exciting because, you know, it is easy to see God through history. And and when you talk about all of the the martyrs and the Christian faith and just the history historical people in the Bible. So as you're reading through and learning about God's role in math, can you give us kind of an example of how you saw him working out the details in that subject?

Kate Hannon:
Sure. So I kinda like to compare it to science because we can all kind of grasp science a little bit easier. If you look at a tree, whether you're an atheist, a Muslim, or a Christian, you can agree about, like, how photosynthesis works, how tall is that tree, what color is it, you know, some of those facts. Right? But we know that tree is not new. Your worldview determines where you think that tree came from. Right. And is it really a testimony to God creating it and sustaining it? Or is it just a result of random chance? And are we accountable to a creator in how we steward that or not? And so it's the same way in math. You know, math is a way of really describing the consistencies that are around us.

Kate Hannon:
You don't make your child learn math facts year after year after year because they don't apply. They do. Right? They help us build spaceships and microwaves, and they're they're the tool that we use in science. And it lies because it's really a way of describing the real life consistencies that God created and that he is sustaining. And so just like that tree is not really neutral, those consistencies and the order around us, that's not neutral either. It's part of God's creation that he put in place. And so it just like that tree is really giving praise to God and proclaiming that we have an amazing creator. So is the orderly universe around us that math is, but a way of describing.

Kate Hannon:
And so when you see it from that perspective, it's not it's not this isolated textbook exercise. It's really a way of describing God's creation that is proclaiming his praises. I mean, when you think about it, you could be in the deepest, darkest dungeon of your life. And one plus one is still gonna equal two. Right? Well, why why does it equal two outside of a textbook? It's because there is a consistent, faithful God who is still on his throne and is still watching over you in that dark dungeon and is still faithfully upholding his, the way he created creation. There's a verse in Jeremiah. I'm just gonna read it to you. It says thus says the Lord, if I have not established my covenant with day and night and the fixed order of heaven and earth, then I will reject the offspring of Jacob and David, my servant.

Kate Hannon:
So he was talking about this fixed order that he established his covenant with. That's what we describe in math. And God was using that to show his people, hey. I'm a covenant keeping God. You can trust my other covenant. Right? So every time we do math, it is shouting out at us that God is still on his throne, that he's a covenant keeping God, and that we can trust everything he said in his word. And that's what students should leave their math class thinking about, but it's not. And and that's the that's the issue there.

Kate Hannon:
Mhmm.

Erin:
I love how you laid that out because I have never really thought of math in that way before, and I'm sure there are other people who are listening that are like, wow, that really speaks to the faithfulness of the Lord and in a really solid way when the world isn't making sense. One plus one is still two. That's just a very basic example. And that makes me think about, I'm on a lot of different Facebook forums and things and, chatter with local homeschool moms. And there's always this conversation that comes up as homeschooling is, you know, a lot of the reason that people homeschool back in the eighties was religious reasons. They wanted to to have religious, teaching in their in their homes, and they were seeing the secularization of the school, and they didn't like that. And now I kinda see this chatter on Facebook and other places that it's kinda that same conversation. They're they're believers or people who claim they're are Christians, and And they're like, well, we don't need to have, you know, I just want math or I just want science.

Erin:
I don't I don't need to have that or I'm looking for something that's religion neutral or there's kind of this shift in the culture of homeschooling that I'm seeing. But as believers, I think, and as, as people who want to encourage our Christian faith in others and just to share that gospel, having subjects wrapped around biblical truths is so important. Have you kind of seen those things as well or observed a shift in Christian culture towards their, opinions on what should or should not also be included in teaching subjects like math or science or history?

Kate Hannon:
I guess I've noticed, like, an expansion of homeschooling to include a lot of people that are not in the same place spiritually as when it started when it was you know, when something's challenging, you don't do it unless you're really committed to it for a solid reason. Right? And so I feel like early on, the people who chose to homeschool, they were strong wanting their children to follow the lord. Now that it's easier and more readily available, you got a lot more fringe joining in, which is awesome. Home education is a a wonderful way raising your children, regardless. But, yeah, if I I do I have seen more rise of secular homeschooling and people not understanding the importance of that. And I think, especially in math, I my mom didn't understand the importance of it. But when you think about it, if math is really describing the consistencies that are around us, then if you say that those are just neutral or self existent, if you call math neutral self existent, you're really calling the consistencies around us neutral, self existent, which is really naturalistic. Or you or it could be humanistic if you think, well, man created math.

Kate Hannon:
Man must be pretty smart. Right? Right. And then you're falling into humanism, and it's so subtle, but it it was a hurdle in my own life. You know, when I became a teenager, I started questioning, like, do I really believe God because my parents told me or because it's real? And what about evolution? And I wanted mathematical proof of God's existence. Well, why did I want that? Because I'd been taught trust math. It doesn't take much to figure out that math actually does work and you can rely on it. And so it's like, trust math, trust mathematicians. The people who wrote this must have been pretty smart.

Kate Hannon:
So my faith was subtly being put in math and man instead of realizing, hey. None of this would even be possible if it weren't for a biblical god governing all things consistently and giving us the ability to paraphrase Johannes Kepler, think his thoughts after him. Mhmm. You know, it it's fascinating. If you go back through math history, you see how different philosophers have tried to explain the existence of math. And apart from a biblical god, you can't because it doesn't make sense why what we're able to develop on paper and intellectually actually coincides with creation unless the same god created us. And so math should have been building up my faith that, hey. Apart from a biblical god, we can't even make sense of why we're able to do math rather than subtly creating this hurdle of, oh, wait a minute.

Kate Hannon:
I want to see, you know, through this that I can trust god. Does that make sense?

Erin:
It does. Yeah. I love you're so great at explaining, your reasons for this. I agree. I think it's it's really cool to see that homeschool is broadening beyond just people of the faith. But I think that it's so important for those of us who do have faith to look at subjects like math or science and and see them through that biblical worldview versus a naturalistic or a humanistic worldview. And I know you, in your bio, you said that you also have a a biblical counseling degree. That's something I've also been going to school for.

Erin:
And so I thought that was really neat, but I think that as I'm learning and taking these classes, our worldview shapes everything. Whether that's homes, the decision to homeschool, what curriculum we're choosing. And I think that's why I really I've, I've loved master books curriculum is just because it is weaving in biblical truth and showing us how, like you're you're describing even in math, there is that consistency. There's the faithfulness. There is, you know, math it's mathematically impossible for all of these things to to be aligned outside of creation and God being the creator. So do you wanna talk a little bit about what you've created for master books in, in the math, area and I it's upper level. So I think that that's helpful for some moms that are listening that have high school students because I know I'm not strong in math. Once it hits algebra, I'm, like, telling my husband, can you please help with this? Because I had a d in algebra when I was in high school, and I took it again in college and still didn't do that great.

Erin:
So I think for moms, a lot of us struggle in that. So how can we be confident in teaching math and and what products have you helped create or created to to help us out?

Kate Hannon:
Well, I wanna just piggyback on something you said earlier. The certificate I have, I didn't get my degree.

Erin:
Oh, okay. Mhmm.

Kate Hannon:
But, yes, as far as I've actually done for elementary as well. I have, like, a supplemental stuff through master books that can go alongside whatever curriculum you're using to help you add that biblical worldview. And because we're really when you're teaching elementary, you're doing a lot of the teaching. Right? So as you're talking, if you're able to connect a student back to the Lord and how what they're learning really is a tool, it can make it a world of difference. Kinda like if a lot of people think they hate math and it sounds like you had a really bad algebra experience. And what I've what I've discovered is a lot of it is because they were never really taught what math is. You know, if you learned how to cook from a textbook for eight years and you never were allowed in the kitchen, you would think you're really bad at cooking and that you hated it. Mhmm.

Kate Hannon:
But you never really cooked. Right? Right. And so much of that is happening in math education as students are learning these facts that seem meaningless to them, especially when you get into the high school levels. And you all of a sudden you have letters in your textbook, and you're like, why in the world do I have letters? And I'm like, hi, yeah. When I was growing up, I did well at math, but I didn't understand why I was learning algebra. It was like, this is the most pointless thing that I have to figure out. And why learn something if you don't, you know, get to use it? It it makes it very extra confusing in a way. Whereas, really, when you show math so what I try to do in my curriculum and the resources I've produced is to connect math to real life so that students understand why they're learning what they're learning every step of the way, including when they get to algebra.

Kate Hannon:
Algebra is how we record things like the law of gravity that we can then use to build airplanes. And we can use letters to stand for real life relationships because of how faithful and consistent God is. And so those x's and y's are standing for real life values and showing the student that as you go through makes a world of difference for them. How they're not just learning something that seems pointless. Right?

Erin:
Mhmm.

Kate Hannon:
But to answer your question about, like, what the curriculums are, so for elementary, I have revealing arithmetic, which goes through breaks it out by concept of arithmetic. So addition, subtraction, vocation. So whatever concept you're teaching, you then look at that chapter, and it will give you the biblical worldview. It'll give you some bulleted out ideas that you can pick from to use with your child to help bring that in to your teaching. And so that's designed to go alongside a curriculum. There's also a big timeline. Big book of math is what we call it. It's 15 feet of math's history all done up.

Kate Hannon:
So I I put on there, like, how math has applied throughout history so that you can just show it to a child and they can see visually, oh, wow. This really is important. And there's lots of worldview elements in there as well. And then for junior high on ups, there's actual curriculum. So the junior high one is, principles mathematics. It's pre algebra, and it goes through and, really, the first book firms up the foundations of math, make sure there's no gaps. Because when you get into algebra and you're dealing with letters, you're really just building on what you already learned in arithmetic. And a lot of students that struggle in algebra struggle because they didn't really understand fractions or they didn't really understand something with real numbers first.

Kate Hannon:
And so it kind of builds in those gaps while building the biblical worldview and problem solving skills. And then in the second book, is more pre algebra kind of explaining why are these letters in here and what are we doing with that. And then I did ecourses to go with those on the Master Books Academy, and there's ecourses to go with Jacob's, algebra and geometry for algebra one and geometry. Then I wrote an algebra two curriculum, and I am just finishing up consumer math, which should be released here soon. So that's been been my latest one.

Erin:
Yeah. That's excellent. I I love that you're doing that and pouring back into the homeschool community in such a way because, like you said earlier, there weren't a lot of resources for homeschoolers, and now there are so many resources. It's overwhelming. So it's really good to hear directly from you the heart behind what you're creating, the worldview behind what you're creating, and the way that it's laid out so that it is filling in those gaps, because that's a big concern that all of us have is, are we not doing enough? Are we not teaching enough? And especially when it gets to the upper level high school classes. So what's maybe a word of encouragement to a mom who's really struggling to, to make that decision to continue on home educating when it comes to courses like algebra and above for a homeschool child?

Kate Hannon:
I encourage them to remember the heart of why they homeschool to begin with. You know, you want your child to be all that God created them to be. Right? And God makes a wonderful teacher. Like, I shared that Isaiah 50 or 13 verse that my mom had early on. He is able to make those connections. There are gonna be things that your child has to learn after they graduate. It's just how life works. Right? When I graduated from school, I went on and and researched how to start a business, how to design a website, how to write about math.

Kate Hannon:
You know, all those things were not things that I had been taught in school, but I'd been taught how to learn, and I'd been taught how to run to the Lord. And I really saw that through my mom's weaknesses more than anything when she when she bowed her head and said, I don't understand. Please teach Katie what she needs to know. That taught me more than had she had an English degree and known things forwards and backwards because in real adult life, we don't always know the answer, but we need to know how to run to the one who does know the answer. And God understands how to run. He's the one who created this world. God understands those upper level concepts, and he understands how hard they are for you. And he put your child in your home for a reason.

Kate Hannon:
He wants to use your weaknesses and their weaknesses to sanctify you, to sanctify your child, and it's not an accident. And so he can use your very inabilities to help help your child. I saw this when we, you know, when we adopted our son, I was going through some undiagnosed allergy issues. So I had a lot of physical challenges at the time, and I felt horrible. And as a mom, you want to be everything for your child. Right? You wanna know everything. You wanna be able to do everything perfectly. And we we don't.

Kate Hannon:
We are we are fallible, fallen human beings in fallen bodies. And so I whoever just really struggling at one point in that and going, lord, what are you doing? And I was unable to walk upstairs to get something my son needed. And, like, if you want it, you have to go get it. Well, he had this great fear of the upstairs, but because I couldn't go get what he wanted, he overcame that fear. And it was just this reminder to me that, like, God was using the very physical challenge I had at the time Mhmm. To be exactly what my son needed to grow himself. And so God God is gonna use those challenges that you have, whether you're in high school or whether you're in elementary school, all along the way. Mhmm.

Kate Hannon:
Well, you and to grow your child, if you dig into it and dig into him and show your child how to how to run to him for that. And there are resources. Like I said, I've done e courses. So for parents who don't wanna actually, you know, teach that, they can have their child watch the video and they have contact with me if they have questions. So I I answer questions via email through that. So there's there's support in place that can help you through those upper levels, but don't miss out on sometimes we wanna run away when sandpaper gets tough. Right? The very thing that God wants to use to grow

Erin:
us. Oh, that's so encouraging to hear from you. I, I fully agree. I think, you know, it's, it's always sad to me when I see a mom that's chosen to homeschool or a family that has chosen to homeschool, and then they get to the middle school years and they're like, I just can't do this. And then they send their kid to public school or private school or something other else than homeschooling. And I'm thinking, those are the seeds that you've sown, and I hate to see that the family is missing out on the growth and the things that they're they've worked so hard on, and then they they give up and and do the thing. And I understand there's people that choose that for different reasons. But like you said, there's a lot of us you know, I've had health issues as well.

Erin:
We also two of our children are adopted through foster care. So we were fostering and homeschooling at the same time. And so as busy moms, a lot of the questions that I get are, how do you balance work and homeschool? So do you have any advice on that? And, Kate, how do you have time to write curriculum and teach curriculum to your your own child?

Kate Hannon:
It's a good question. I wrote a lot of the curriculum before I started homeschooling. I will preface that. I have been doing this consumer math course. I tried to give myself a much longer period of time to work through it and work on it in smaller chunks. But it has been I guess what I've realized is your ability to do that kind of thing comes and goes, and you have to be able to hold it loosely and give that to the Lord. Because if my focus is on, I gotta get this done, and I forget that my real focus should be on exalting Christ and discipling, then I've lost what God has for me for that day, if that makes sense. Mhmm.

Kate Hannon:
I have to trust the Lord to give me the time to get it done, and it doesn't always look like my perfectly planned system for how that's going to take place. I think my children talk in the middle of the night about how they're going to sabotage sabotage the plan. But it's been a it's been a journey of, like, learning to to really hold that loosely and trust the Lord. And then I have a very supportive husband to work makes that work. And being able to say no to other things, like, it's easy to look at other families and go, wow. They're doing this and this and this and this and this for their children. And I can't do all of that right now because the Lord's called me to minister in this way. And so I think a lot of it goes back to looking at what is God calling you and your family to do and continually taking that to him and going, alright.

Kate Hannon:
Is this something I need to back off? Is this something I need to do more? Where is the balance there? And and being free to understand that it's gonna be different for your family than for another family and different in different seasons of life. I mean, there were times when we first got our son from foster care. I had to just not do any work for a few months because, like, he needed my attention. And then there were other periods where it's like, okay. You can play and I can do this, and

Erin:
we can balance that out. I love that. I mean, you hit on all of the things that I think we struggle with, you know, finding out what what is our priority and always going back to what does the lord placed right in front of us right now. And that's our family, our kids, our husband. And then if we have time outside of that, then what else in in other ways and to people is he asking us to minister? And I think that's that's really it is the key. And a lot of us I mean, I I tend to struggle with that as well. You know, there are a lot of opportunities, to to serve other people, but then when I look at my house, if it's falling apart around me, in some seasons, I haven't chosen the wise thing. And, I think especially as we are continuing to learn alongside our children, like you talked about with your relationship with your mom, seeing in her weaknesses or, her needing to go to the Lord for strength in areas.

Erin:
That is such a model for our kids and just really great that we we don't have to have it all together. We wouldn't we never will have it all together, but what are we teaching our kids about the the times when it's hard and, you know, or if if we're having health things, that was, something I'd struggled with too. And my mom also, she lived with us and then she passed away almost four years ago now. And so, you know, what does it look like in homeschool? Am I going to have time to work during those seasons? Absolutely not. And that's a normal thing to take a step back and to really focus on grieving. And what is that teaching our children? A lot more than what can be learned in a book about grieving, you know, like your example about cooking. And so, yeah, I just, I really appreciate this conversation with you. And I think that I'm excited to continue on in that, at that site of maintaining homeschooling through the high school years.

Erin:
Like I said, we're about to graduate our second. Is there anything that we didn't touch on that you were wanting to share with people, before we wrap up?

Kate Hannon:
Well, just I'll I'll comment on the high school thing one more time. They can be some of the sweetest years because you've you've taught your child how to learn at that point, and now they can go and explore and learn some of the things that they're interested in. Don't let the burden of all the academics keep you from the joy of it. Like, I've I've found I just have to keep going back to, okay. It will be okay. I watched it with my mom. My brother was one of those students who didn't really decide he wanted to learn until he was in high school. And so I worried about him being the older older sister.

Kate Hannon:
Is he ever gonna turn out to be anything? And then one day he woke up and said, you know what? I want a I want a family. I better figure out how I'm gonna get a career. And he he went through, like, years worth of material in one year. And it was like, oh, and he went on to get his master's and he's an engineer and he's doing great. But my mom could have spent all those years, like, worrying over him. She didn't. She was just relaxed about it. But it's so easy as a mom, I'm discovering to like panic over your kindergartner.

Kate Hannon:
And is he gonna succeed because he's not where you want him to be? Do you know what I mean? And Mhmm. And when we see that, we're just missing out on God's goals. And we're not realizing, like, they really can get a lot of those academics in a much more abbreviated period of time If they need to, the things that matter out of every day is, are we walking, bearing the fruit of the spirit? Are we sharing the Lord with our children, with the people around us? Are we building up his church? Like those callings that are in the Bible to every believer, they apply to us as parent, and we're incapable of doing it apart from the Holy Spirit's help. And it's okay to admit that. I feel like as as parents, we want to have it all figured out. Right? And we wanna be able to be the perfect model for our children. And we're not. We're we're a messed up mess, but we have a God who is able.

Kate Hannon:
I was thinking recently, I went through a period where I was just really struggling, and Jesus was tempted in the wilderness for forty days and forty nights. Right? He knows what it's like to be hungry. He knows what it's like to be tired. Like his mom, sometimes there are seasons where you're just exhausted and you're like, how in the world am I going to deal with one more screaming child? You know? And he is able to give us that strength. He went forty days. Like, that's the max of of human stressing. Right? And he was still able to to conquer. And so his strength is there because ours isn't.

Kate Hannon:
So I just would encourage, you know, encourage parents, look to the Lord, model that for your child. Keep that the goal, and he will take care of the rest. And my mom doesn't know what to think about computers. My brother taught himself so much about it. He got a job right out of high school. But that was because during high school, he had time to tinker around and read electrical books because he was interested in them. I had time to practice writing, so I started my business and started writing after high school. Like, we wouldn't have been able to do that if we didn't have time in high school to lower those interests if we were just going here, there, and everything because my mom was worried about all that, the other stuff.

Kate Hannon:
So just keep God's priorities yours and and seek him.

Erin:
It's so true. Thank you so much, Kate. Where can our listeners connect with you and, find your curriculum and all of those things?

Kate Hannon:
The curriculum is on masterbooks.com, and the ecourses that go with it are in the Master Books Academy. My website is Christianperspective.net, and I have some blog articles and I send out short stories and parenting moments there so they can connect.

Erin:
Excellent. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us today, and I look forward to hearing more from you. Thank you so

Kate Hannon:
much for having me. It's a joy to meet you.

Erin:
Alright. We will, come back next week with another episode, and we appreciate Kate. Thanks for listening to Show Me Homeschool. To learn more about booking one on one or group homeschool coaching sessions with us, upcoming events, see our speaking schedule, or to get access to more resources. Be sure to check out our website, www.showmehomeschool.com and sign up for our weekly newsletter. You can also follow us on Instagram at show.me.homeschool on episode was sponsored by Podcast with Faith, our favorite Christian podcast production company.

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